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blackfang
03-11-2010, 02:36 PM
I figure I would put this out there to expand on replacing tires. I always get questions or see threads about do I have to replace all my tires.

My experience on this issue is being in the Automotive industry for 7 years and over 3 as a Subaru Service advisor. I have also worked in the tire markets as a certified Michelin/BFG Salesman. The info I am giving you is my professional view and facts on this subject from first hand knowledge and the failures of the AWD system due to this. If you disagree with it, that is fine, it is your car and your money. I have seen plenty of failures and people end up forking over to me their money because they made the mistake.

Whenever you have to replace any tire on a Subaru, you must measure the circumference of the new tire when it is mounted. Then you measure the old tires. If there is more than a 1/4 inch of difference in the measurements, you should replace the other tires.

Folks, do NOT let the 1/32nds or 3/32nds rule fool you. That is not the correct method and it will cost you transfer clutches. One assumes that the overall circumference is the same to start with and you also can't tell if the entire tire's tread depth is equally the same around the tire. So that is why that method doesn't accurately work. Normally the 1/4inch threshold is around 15,000 miles, but I have seen a forester make it to 19,000 and still be within 1/4 inch.

If you do not do this, you are increasing the chances of damaging the transfer clutches/center diff or prematurely wearing them out on your awd. Automatics tend to be more prone to this than manuals. It isn't really a matter of if it happens, but more of a when.


Hope this clears up any confusion on whether you need all new tires or not.

Also proper tire rotation's and frequent alignments(I recommend once a year) help prevent irregular wear on the tires. Lack of rotations can also cause awd problems as well.

TSi+WRX
03-12-2010, 06:59 AM
^ Thanks for the info! :D

And ah-ha! That's where I remember you from!!!!!

http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119079&highlight=blackfang&page=12

:)

blackfang
03-12-2010, 07:26 AM
Yep. I am on about 15 different forums. I just don't post there anymore.

john
03-12-2010, 07:53 AM
Well, you should change that. :D

blackfang
03-12-2010, 08:01 AM
I got tired of when I would post something regarding Subaru or try to clear something up, it always ended up in confrontation to prove I was right. It is much easier to not help and stop posting. However, that is for a different thread...ha ha ha.

kagenmateer
03-12-2010, 09:44 AM
I'm surprised you feel that way about lgt.com. It's one of the nicer forum populations I've dealt with.

blackfang
03-12-2010, 10:07 AM
There are a few on there that just want to be ****s. Read the link above that TSiWRX posted. That was one of the few that set me off a bit.
Granted there are a lot of nice people on there, but it is not worth the time to argue and help out so I said f it. Why help when everything you offer is questioned and ridiculed and you are treated as if you are the enemy. Surprisingly Nasioc and IWSTI are better about that kind of thing.

Dookie
03-12-2010, 09:46 PM
I'm surprised you feel that way about lgt.com. It's one of the nicer forum populations I've dealt with.

:lol: :lol: Is that why you were banned?

Dookie
03-12-2010, 09:51 PM
There are a few on there that just want to be ****s. Read the link above that TSiWRX posted. That was one of the few that set me off a bit.
Granted there are a lot of nice people on there, but it is not worth the time to argue and help out so I said f it. Why help when everything you offer is questioned and ridiculed and you are treated as if you are the enemy. Surprisingly Nasioc and IWSTI are better about that kind of thing.

I agree with you 100%, over on .com there is at least 1 or more members that would always test the OP's knowledge. I even got sick of posting walkthroughs, because someone always had a better way of doing it, even though they didn't.

Don't get me wrong though, .com does have alot of good information on the site.

blackfang
03-13-2010, 05:46 AM
Oh it does, don't get me wrong:)

TSi+WRX
03-13-2010, 11:09 AM
Don't get me wrong though, .com does have alot of good information on the site.
^ Exactly - as the years have gone on, some have gotten so ****y that they think no-one new can possibly bring anything to the community, and that's just dead wrong.

At the same time, there's also those (sometimes one and the same) who feel like they know everything and try to beat-down any seeming newcomer (without realizing that sometimes, even though someone is new to the community, they've already got a whole lot of experience otherwise - or, simply, that sometimes, it requires a new and uninhibited way of thinking/seeing things to truly move the community forward: i.e. innovation), when they clearly don't know much of what they're talking about, period.

And specifically in terms of blackfang's case, would it have killed those people who attacked him, to come back and offer up a true apology, once they were proven wrong? :(:confused::mad:

But not everything can be blamed on the old-hats (especially as some truly are very nice people, and not only will bend over backwards to help, but will also admit when they've come upon something they've got no understanding of, or when their knowledge-pool is no longer sufficient), since the new population, with the vehicle now becoming more and more affordable on the secondary market and with knowledge of its tuning and aftermarket potential expanding, we've certainly also got an influx of "duhs."

Finally, as with all larger communities, there's also quite a signal-to-noise issue.

But getting back to the original point, it truly hurts me to see that .com alienated a valuable member - a true inside resource, to top it off - like blackfang. :mad::(

blackfang
03-13-2010, 12:05 PM
Thanks.


The sad part is, the same person kept doing it again in another thread and tried downplaying what really happened, which was the final straw. I sent a pm to a moderator and told him of my intentions and never went back.

Anyways, if anyone has any related questions to the original post, feel free to pm me or post them up.

Dookie
03-14-2010, 11:03 AM
Forgot to tell you, we tend to talk off topic alot.:lol:

blackfang
03-14-2010, 12:28 PM
:lol:

TSi+WRX
03-15-2010, 06:46 AM
Yeah, A LOT!!!! :lol:

kagenmateer
03-15-2010, 06:56 PM
I was banned because of a crappy moderator, but when I was on there, I actually really liked the community. It sounds like that's changed since I left.

Dookie
03-15-2010, 10:39 PM
Couldn't tell you if it's changed any, because I don't chat as much as I use to. I don't even know who the mods are anymore, nor do I care. Mainly only use it for research these days.

kagenmateer
03-16-2010, 02:46 PM
hmmm...good forums only last so long before they go to ****.

havanisda
03-16-2010, 02:47 PM
hmmm...good forums only last so long before they go to sh!t.There ya go.

kagenmateer
03-16-2010, 02:49 PM
Thx! ...

Dookie
03-16-2010, 09:41 PM
:lol: