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GodWhomIsMike
06-19-2006, 08:44 AM
Background:
I learned quick when I got my Legacy that it could not stand up to potholes with the stock RE-92 tires. I had one split along the bead at around 300 miles and another one had a nasty bubble at around 2-3K miles. I got fed up with bridgestone because of their horrible traction, poor quality, how easily they died, and the terrible customer service from bridgestone.
At around 2-3K miles, I cut my losses and got a set of Toyo Proxes 4. So far - I have them for almost a year, and put close to 10K miles on them. So far I found them to be very good. A bit loud at speed, but offer excellent grip in dry and amazing wet traction. Forget about snow though, these tires make snow drive a white knuckle experience.

Potholes:
Lately, it seems NYC had completely given up fixing potholes. The roads have got very bad in my area in the last few months - I've seen pot holes that were at least 6 inches deep that been around for at least a month or so on heavily travelled roads. Put it this way, they are so bad that instead of focusing your attension to what's down the road - you have to focus mostly on what nasty potholes are all over the roads so you don't nail one and lose a tire.

Saturday night, I'm driving with my gf, I avoid one big pothole and wind up nailing another. It was pretty big and packed one hell of a jolting punch. I almost threw up right there - that's how nasty it sounded. I though for sure that the tire and rim were completely nuked. I drove a little bit and pulled over where there was some street light. The tire survived, but I wasn't sure about the rim - looked fine but too dark even with the street lights to tell.
Yesterday, I looked in the sunlight, seems the tire has no bubbles, and I can see what part of the tire hit it too by the rim. The rim has a thick black mark on the lip and a small chip on the side. I drove a bit after hitting the pothole and everything seems fine.

Seems like I was lucky this time.

So my question is after this whole thread - these rims can hold up to bad pothole roads? Am I being too paranoid - I inspect my tires everyday - I look for any imperfection and then run my hands over them to feel for any bubbles. Is this overkill?

TSi+WRX
06-19-2006, 09:29 AM
I don't think you're paranoid, bro - but on the other hand, I do think you might be a *little* too worried. ;) But given your bad experiences, then again, who wouldn't be, right? :)

Honestly, I never had any troubles, even with my RE92s. My inflation pressure on the RE92s tended towards the high side, though, at 38/36, cold, F/R, respectively.

Similarly, no issues with my Falkens (Ziex ZE-512s) - however, these were sized a bit larger (225/45), and I also ran higher pressures. I ran this set pretty much all this past winter, and tackled quite the number of rather nasty sinkholes.....

Here in NE-Ohio, we've basically got two "road-seasons."

"Winter" - stretching pretty much from the first "salt-n'-scrape" that usually takes place, at the latest, by Mid-November, and lasts all the way into mid-summer (around June/July or so, which is when the road-crews finally get enough time to patch the bigger holes).

"Summer" doesn't last long in terms of roadway conditions. Most of the less-traveled streets or sidestreets may not see complete repairs/fills until late July - and even when patched, they rarely last longer in that state than the first scrape....

-A

whitetiger
06-19-2006, 09:32 AM
Just drive till your steering wheel starts to shake at speeds. :D

GodWhomIsMike
06-19-2006, 09:34 AM
I'm thinking about having them rebalanced. Waste of money?

whitetiger
06-19-2006, 09:37 AM
no. a balancing is always a good thing. just make sure you get it done on a hunter roadforce balancer. those are the best ones. They have one at my dealer and it always makes my ride smooth.

GodWhomIsMike
06-19-2006, 09:41 AM
Think Sears would have one?

whitetiger
06-19-2006, 09:43 AM
Probably not. Most Audi dealers have them because they are required to have them for RS6 certified wheel balancing. My dealer is a porsche/Audi/subaru dealer, so they have all the cool audi toys.

TSi+WRX
06-19-2006, 10:42 AM
^ +1 - probably not, but check nonetheless. For whatever reason, my local Sears uses one.

I dunno about re-blancing - right now - though...what do you think, tiger brother? ( I was born in the Year of the Tiger ;) ) - should he go in for a re-blance even if he doesn't notice any shaking through his steering wheel at-speed?

whitetiger
06-19-2006, 10:52 AM
If it makes him feel better, then why not? Either way, they will be able to tell if he bent a wheel slightly, even if its not viabrating noticably.

TSi+WRX
06-19-2006, 11:08 AM
If it makes him feel better, then why not?

Tru Dat. :tup:

A few bucks for peace-of-mind.

GodWhomIsMike
06-19-2006, 11:12 AM
A few bucks for peace-of-mind.


That's what I'm thinking.

whitetiger
06-19-2006, 12:42 PM
do eeeet!

ih8vtec13
06-19-2006, 04:15 PM
Mike I personaly think you are a little overly parinoid. I would wait till you need new tires and then get rebalanced, and while you are doing that get tires in 225/45/17 or 235/40/17 so there is a little more room to play.

GodWhomIsMike
06-20-2006, 08:24 PM
I took her out on the highway and she seems fine - took her upwards of 80+ mph. They're gonna be rotated anyways saturday because it's about time they're done.

I regret not getting 225/45/17

ih8vtec13
06-20-2006, 09:16 PM
The stock size is not too bad, i think you have not had anything that sounded that bad happen yet and you had some bad luck with your car early on. Maybe you bottomed the car out, that can sound extreamly bad and the rim would not bend, I did it on my old car a few times :(

mach_six
06-21-2006, 09:44 PM
I hit a pothole on the LIE going 50MPH and it held up not too long ago. It held up quite nicely, only black tire scrape to the rim and no bends.

Drift Monkey
06-22-2006, 06:05 PM
NYC Roads suck ass.

whitetiger
06-22-2006, 07:35 PM
thats for sure

ih8vtec13
06-22-2006, 09:49 PM
Norther NJ is worse in alot of places

mach_six
06-22-2006, 10:05 PM
Well, I don't know what's worse in NYC. The roads or the drivers.

ih8vtec13
06-22-2006, 10:12 PM
Well, I don't know what's worse in NYC. The roads or the drivers.
Same can be said about NJ too and LI drivers. No offence to present company but some of the worst things i have seen on the road and done by NJ drivers. there are good drivers in NJ but there are a lot of bad ones, the road test is way too easy i think.

mach_six
06-22-2006, 10:19 PM
That's true but you know those cabbies...do some weird ass things everyday.

Bu11dogg2
06-23-2006, 06:22 PM
NYC Roads suck ass.

I heard that you know all about NY pot holes from personal experiance:lol:

Effin Ponderous
06-26-2006, 06:52 AM
If you live in the NYC metro area, you got to be ready for these every now and then. I live in central and agree with you and "Ih8" on the road conditions. I was on the NJTPKE last year and shattered a stock Infiniti (Rays Forged) wheel and tire, as well as doing damage to the front end. For the next 6 months I focused on the road directly in front of me so I would never hit another one like that. Down side is you eat your brakes up slamming them on at the last minute because you've been looking for P/H.
My rule of thumb...do the best you can to avoid them, but if you hit a bad one;
1) Pull over when possible and check the wheel
2) If it looks ok, bring it up to hwy speed and feel for vibration
3) If you don't have any signs of shaking or vibration, fogget about it!

GodWhomIsMike
12-11-2006, 07:12 AM
Norther NJ is worse in alot of places


440 is a funking nightmare.