Still waiting for my H-techs [Archive]

Effin Ponderous

08-01-2006, 06:24 AM

Stil waiting for my H-techs two weeks already. Bought them from QJP on Ebay and they showed 15 stock. How long should I wait before making a real stink about it? I've sent my fourth email and haven't gotten any answers yet. :eek:

ih8vtec13

08-01-2006, 06:28 AM

i would let him know that you are getting pissed but make too big a deal as some people dell alot of items at once and they could be in transit. I have made deals on ebay and recived my items no comunication at all.

TSi+WRX

08-02-2006, 05:24 AM

^ +1.

I'm not sure what your experience-level with buying on eBay happens to be, brother Effin, but I've bought quite a bit of stuff there, so please do not take this the wrong way - I'm not being condescending...just trying to help and see if you've got all your ground-work covered before launching any type of complaint. ;)

I'd also re-check the auction listing to see if the seller had any kind of shipping timeline stipulations posted within the ad - i.e. if they're sourcing directly from overseas, shipment may take a bit longer.

Also, check to be sure that the seller is not on holiday/vacation, which also may be posted in the ad.

Finally, where's the item coming from? Assuming the seller's posted address, figure that you've got to give it the slowest possible form of shipment - and see if that timeline does not become more reasonable. Additionally, was a method of shipment listed in the ad?

Hope this turns out A-OK! :) Keep us posted, bruddah!

Effin Ponderous

08-02-2006, 06:18 AM

No problem Bro...I too have had some Ebaysperience. I got an email this morning that they are sold out and want to swap me for S-Techs instead. I posted this in the H-tech post over there, but these are the questions I have:

the ride difference between H-Techs and S-Techs
Camber/Toe issues with the additional lowering
I have 18x7 wheels with 48 offset and 225/40/ZR18 tires. They seem to be out close to the edge of the fender now, so can I afford the additional drop?

TSi+WRX

08-02-2006, 09:46 AM

^ Hum....

I can't help you much on the last two questions as I don't have that technical knowledge - hopefully, either others here or on the .com site will be able to step in.

As for the H-Tech and S-Tech difference, well, my Talon rode on a combination of the S-Tech and Tokico adjustibles, and while I really loved the way she handled, I did feel that it was a bit rough. I don't know how that would translate to the LGT application, especially retaining the stock shocks, but I would definitely think that you'd be making a greater compromise when it came to the comfort side of the equation (or lack thereof), with trade-off more towards aesthetics. As for handling, I also don't know how that would pair with the stock struts/shocks.

My wife *definitely* did *NOT* like the way my Talon rode. Not at all.

Effin Ponderous

08-02-2006, 10:28 AM

It seems that everyone agrees to stay away from them. I asked the vendor for a refund, but he only offered a swap to the S's so far. I can wait...:cool:

TSi+WRX

08-02-2006, 10:39 AM

^ If I didn't have my reservations about the ride, I honestly wouldn't mind the S-Techs again. They do offer that super-aggressive look. :)

People were always trying to figure out exactly what kind of car my Talon was, since it mated a 2Ga Talon body with a 2Gb Eclipse front-end conversion. Slammed to-the-ground, badgeless, with a pretty decent set of mechanical upgrades that were also externally visible, I always caught stares from others trying to figure out if it's some sort of exotic or something. :lol:

I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya, but heck, how much of a beating do you think that your wallet would take if you just bit the bullet, and re-sold these on either .com or a larger Forum like Nabisco?

Just another idea, that's all. :)

ih8vtec13

08-02-2006, 09:44 PM

i was looking in to s-techs and liked the look, ride quality was not really a major concern for me so i just went by looks. I would do s-techs over h-techs personaly.

Effin Ponderous

08-03-2006, 04:27 AM

Ride quality is too important to me. One thing that turned me around to the LGT from the G35 was the ride quality. I don't think I'm willing to settle.

Effin Ponderous

08-03-2006, 01:43 PM

Hey, I'll reply again just to get SOMETHING GOING OVER HERE...hmmm sorry.

I'm screwed, QJP won't return emails now. I'll have to wait the thirty days and file a complaint with PAY PAl and Ebay. Ya see...a bargain isn't always a bargain! :cool:

TSi+WRX

08-04-2006, 04:50 AM

Oh ****... That sucks, bro. :(

Effin Ponderous

08-04-2006, 05:30 AM

Wow, I got an email from Ebay saying that QJP filed an Effin Unpaid Item Dispute!!!! Then I open the email from QJP saying if I go along with it, they will refund my money (implying that if I didn't go along, I wouldn't get a refund)!! I responded against them and then filed my own dispute stating I had never received anything. These sonsabiatches still have two listings up showing that thay have stock...
Effem!

KA82

08-04-2006, 11:55 AM

Effem!

exactly **** them

trying to black mail you, can they say felony?

show the email, file a polic report

let me say **** THEM once more

they are trying to screw you for their mistake, did you pay with paypal;? if so it will show that money went out of your funds and their funds increased by that amount :rolleyes:

Effin Ponderous

08-04-2006, 12:15 PM

Yeah...pay pal. I got another email back. Hmm...they seem a little pissed that I went back at them...:lol: :lol:

TSi+WRX

08-05-2006, 10:11 AM

WTF! This is outrageous! :( :mad:

Effin Ponderous

08-05-2006, 03:55 PM

I read a few posts about them on .com, but there rating is high. Funny, the only bad feedback they have is for crappy service. It just goes to show that if it seems too good to be true it probably is.

Drift Monkey

08-07-2006, 02:05 AM

Updates?

Effin Ponderous

08-07-2006, 05:21 AM

They haven't responded to my Pay Pal report yet. They supposedly have 20 days to respond before Pay Pal sends the money back to me.

Drift Monkey

08-07-2006, 09:53 AM

FTL! :tdown:

Effin Ponderous

08-07-2006, 11:08 AM

FTL! :tdown:FTL???

TSi+WRX

08-08-2006, 04:53 AM

"For teh Los3."

I, for one, +1 this sentiment. :(

Effin Ponderous

08-08-2006, 04:57 AM

Just got an email...they have stock now and want to ship. I told them that I bought another set already and didn't want them now. I really didn't, but did buy sways and I'm not sure if I want to do the springs as well. I guess I can always sell them if they stick me with them.

Drift Monkey

08-08-2006, 11:41 AM

Effin Ponderous

08-08-2006, 11:47 AM

really? (he asked as a tingly feeling sweeps through his brain)

Drift Monkey

08-08-2006, 11:55 AM

really? (he asked as a tingly feeling sweeps through his brain) Springs help you additionally with the roll and give a better stance. :tup:

Effin Ponderous

08-08-2006, 09:03 PM

well, they said Eff me and shipped em!

ih8vtec13

08-08-2006, 09:13 PM

LOLOMFGWTFPWN3DUN00B

but seriously that sux, just do both :)

Drift Monkey

08-08-2006, 10:54 PM

well, they said Eff me and shipped em!
Put them on and I'll doubt you'll regret it! :tup:

Effin Ponderous

08-09-2006, 04:57 AM

Hey Sh** happens. I had the opportunity to say no, but I would have had to tell Ebay that I didn't pay to get out of it. With what I paid for them, and the huge backorder in the states, I'm sure I could sell them.

TSi+WRX

08-09-2006, 05:10 AM

Drift Monkey

08-09-2006, 05:49 AM

I'm of the humble opinion - seeing that I'm definitely a suspension noob, that any spring/strut changes (and tires/wheels, of course!) should be done prior to seeking to optimize with sways. :)

So yes, definitely do both! :) There a huge debate in the racing world about this (using mainly sways vs. mainly springs to control body roll), so I won't even get started. Either way you go about the changes though, the benefit does multiply itself when adding one to the other. :tup:

Effin Ponderous

08-09-2006, 06:16 AM

OK, OK I'M IN! God, you guys are like crack dealers.

No wait, I didn't buy from you so I guess you would be more like crack reviewers. :tup: :tup:

Drift Monkey

08-09-2006, 06:21 AM

OK, OK I'M IN! God, you guys are like crack dealers.

No wait, I didn't buy from you so I guess you would be more like crack reviewers. :tup: :tup: Or you could just call us "fellow crack USERS!" :lol:

I really can't think of any negatives with such upgrades. Ride qualitiy shouldn't take a sharp hit with either his sways or the h-techs, since they have only a relatively mild spring rate increase/drop. According to Tein the H-Techs have a 3.9kF/5.5kR spring rate and lower -0.94"F/ -0.87"R. :)

TSi+WRX

08-09-2006, 06:57 AM

Definitely "users!" :lol:

DM - What's your personal ;) thoughts about springs vs. sways for roll control?

NALegacy

08-09-2006, 07:27 AM

Id say that stiffer springs would aid more in the roll dept, and sways would contribute, but not to the same extent as springs. When the car "rolls", it is the springs that will resist or give in to the roll, although the sway, if large and thick enough, will do the same thing, as you lose the travel/flex between the two wheels. The springs will actually resist the roll a bit more in my opinion. I'd have to bust out diagrams and such to put my thinking into words, I just can't express it. Since the roll is associated w/ the weight transfer, the springs will take the most weight transfer. For instance, if you just have a really stiff sway, your car may still roll noticeably, but it may also lose traction to the outside wheel, as your springs wont be stiff enough to prevent the roll, but your sway bar will be so stiff that it raises the outside tire up due the lack of travel the sway will cause. So essentially, springs before sways is my opinion. Ive actually run different combinations of just coilovers, just the rear sway, both, none, etc. and of course, the whole thing is the best way, but just the coilovers was alot better than just the rear sway.

Effin Ponderous

08-09-2006, 07:30 AM

Oh great...next thing I'll be doing is new struts :lol: :lol:

NALegacy

08-09-2006, 07:33 AM

Oh great...next thing I'll be doing is new struts :lol: :lol:

Honestly, if you are doing springs, matched struts are a good idea, like rev. A or B JDM Bilsteins, Tokicos, Konis, etc.:p

Drift Monkey

08-09-2006, 08:03 AM

Definitely "users!" :lol:

DM - What's your personal ;) thoughts about springs vs. sways for roll control?
The tradtional train of thought is "springs before sways."

My thoughts are, there are many different ways to approach suspension tuning, but for the majority of our street cars, a great suspension should have a balance of roll control through appropriately sized swaybars, springs rates just stiff enough, and dampers tuned properly (that match the spring rate). In the end, there is no absolute "right way." You can get the same quick lap times from either setup philosphy, its just a question of how that particular car will react to the setup and what sacrifices will happen with either setup.

Good Read: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12026837&postcount=91

Effin Ponderous

08-09-2006, 08:42 AM

If you guys are pretty confident that I wont be riding like a truck, I'll go ahead and trow em in.
On a scale of 1-5 (1 being easy), if the sway install is a 1, how hard is the spring install?

Drift Monkey

08-09-2006, 09:14 AM

If you guys are pretty confident that I wont be riding like a truck, I'll go ahead and trow em in.
On a scale of 1-5 (1 being easy), if the sway install is a 1, how hard is the spring install? You definately will not be. The rates on the h-techs are pretty low, you'll be fine. ;) From the reviews I've read, it sounds like they feel stock over smooth surfaces and a bit more harsh over potholes, etc. That's the tradeoff though, but the car will definately stay flatter!

I'd say the springs are about a 3-4, a bit more complicated and you'll need the right tools to get the job done, that's the hardest part really.

Step 1: Remove struts. Rear ones are a minor pain in the ass to remove. :lol:
Step 2: Compress spring with spring compressor.
Step 3: Undo top hat bolts.
Step 4: Remove stock spring, replace with new spring. Seat new spring properly.
Step 5: Re-install top hat and tighten. Depending on how short the new spring is, you may or may not have to compress the new spring to get the top hat back on.
Step 6. Re-install struts.

It's not too bad, just have the right tools when you attempt it.

TSi+WRX

08-09-2006, 09:50 AM

Cool citation, DM - thanks, bro! :D

And I thank you for your thoughts, too, NA. :) I truly find that I like reading -everything- and to later assimilate the info. for myself, and see what really best-applies to my personal situation.

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Effin - there's a walk-through which illustrates the steps listed by brother DM on .com . Look for the author "mccorry" and cross that search parameter with "h-tech" in either the "walk-throughs" or "suspension" sub-Forums there.

;)

Like brother DM said, it's not that bad, as long as you've got the right tools. You'll find a good list of "recommended tools" in brother mccorry's walk-through. Just go through it with a highlighter or take-notes as you read, noting down what people recommend for tools.

If you're a decent weekend-hobbyist wrench, you should have no problems.

Drift Monkey

08-09-2006, 10:01 AM

Cool citation, DM - thanks, bro! :D

And I thank you for your thoughts, too, NA. :) I truly find that I like reading -everything- and to later assimilate the info. for myself, and see what really best-applies to my personal situation.

You're welcome. :D You could benefit from sways, it will reduce your roll even further than it is right now with springs and wouldn't really add much (if any) harshness to the ride. I'd look into it if it caught any of your intrest. ;)