When will cheap struts enter the market?

[wcbjr]

I will bump this thread when KYBs, Konis, etc come out. Wonder how long that will take...

[Bu11dogg2]

Has anyone tried calling a rep?

supply+demand=sales

[Patagonian GT]

I've been speaking with a guy at Koni. I sent him my stock set for measurements last week. I'd like to see an FSD fitment for the LGT and OBXT. I've got a set of FSD's coming for the MINI - should be sweet!! :tup:

http://www.tirerack.com/images/suspension/search_susp/medium/koni_fsd.jpg

[Bu11dogg2]

I've been speaking with a guy at Koni. I sent him my stock set for measurements last week. I'd like to see an FSD fitment for the LGT and OBXT. I've got a set of FSD's coming for the MINI - should be sweet!! :tup:

http://www.tirerack.com/images/suspension/search_susp/medium/koni_fsd.jpg

so your the one!!:)

[gibjer]

That would be nice, are those dampening adjustable?

[Patagonian GT]

no....no need. They are semi-active...think like the magnetic shocks on a Vette. I'm probably oversimplifying it - I've yet to read the whol 411 on them.

[Subaroo]

Sweet, looks like there will be an option of lowering my car after all.

[Patagonian GT]

you can lower the car now. Springs lower it, not struts silly.

[Bu11dogg2]

no....no need. They are semi-active...think like the magnetic shocks on a Vette. I'm probably oversimplifying it - I've yet to read the whol 411 on them.

I saw a slow motion video of those Vette shocks in action.

AWESOME!!!

if these will do that, im gonna buy em!

[Patagonian GT]

http://www.tirerack.com/images/suspension/headers/brand/koni_logo_prod.gif (http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/koni.jsp)

http://www.tirerack.com/images/suspension/headers/product/fsd.gif http://www.tirerack.com/images/suspension/search_susp/medium/koni_fsd.jpg
Enlarge Photo (http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set#)
Most shock absorbers are designed to offer a firmer ride OR to maximize ride comfort. And complete computerized systems can deliver both comfort and performance, but at too high a price for the average consumer's vehicle.


The KONI FSD (Frequency Selective Damping) shock combines excellent road holding and handing characteristics with no-compromise comfort levels. It's a two-in-one solution from KONI that doesn't require the installation of sophisticated electronics, cables or sensors. Firmness for sporty driving on even road surfaces. Smoothness for a comfortable ride on uneven road surfaces.
It's possible via KONI's patented Frequency Selective Damping technology - technology that actively controls the damping level on the basis of the vehicle's body and suspension movement frequency. FSD shocks are a smart suspension system that adjusts automatically and in a fraction of a second to road conditions and driving style.
How It Works
http://www.tirerack.com/images/suspension/koni/FSD_bld-demper.jpghttp://www.tirerack.com/images/suspension/koni/FSD_bld-detail.jpg
In standard shock absorbers the main damping characteristic is defined by the oil flow going through the piston assembly (1).
Combining it with the FSD feature (2), KONI added a special valve that controls an oil flow parallel to the one going through the piston rod (3). This parallel oil flow is closed by the FSD feature, giving a rise in damping force almost linear to the time that the piston is moving in one direction

Put simply: the FSD feature is a hydraulic amplifier that delays the build up of pressure. In some ways an extra tuning option has been created in order to get the best possible combination of handling and comfort. Since it is an integrated part of the hydraulic valve system inside the damper, no additional cables, sensors or any other electronic devices are needed to operate an FSD damper. Read more in Dynamic Dampers (http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=139).
Benefits:
Excellent road holding and handing
Improved grip
Great stability
Optimum comfort level
Excellent body control
Added comfort for low profile tire applications
Maximized driving pleasure
No electronics, sensors or other components needed
Economical, effective solution

[Subaroo]

you can lower the car now. Springs lower it, not struts silly.
Yeah, but I dont want to run with the stock shocks/struts ;) and I wasn't going to drop the cash on coilovers.

[Drift Monkey]

you can lower the car now. Springs lower it, not struts silly.
Koni Yellows have adjustable perches for teh strut lowering FTW! :tup:

[Patagonian GT]

yes, they do, but that's to be used in conjunction with lowering springs. Stock springs and a different perch height doesn't necessarily mean lowered in a good way.

<---- had Koni yellows and H&R's on the old CRX

BTW - FSD struts aren't meant to be used with lowering springs....at least on the MINI - meant for stock ride height.

[gibjer]

Interesting concept, but I doubt they will fall into the cheap category

[Patagonian GT]

Interesting concept, but I doubt they will fall into the cheap category

$650ish on Tire Rack for the current applications. Nowhere near cheap, but given the other choices on the market, I'd buy a set if/when they came to market and try them. My current Cusco Zero2 aren't the end-all-be-all of suspension either.

[john]

I'd love to see some 'affordable' suspension parts become available.

[Mblock66]

It is funny how expensive suspension mods are for this car. I am used to the American V8 scene in past years and parts are so available and cheap for that market that $1100 cat backs and all this suspension stuff has me baffled.......

[GTBoxer]

I had an gsr teg a little while back with a ground control kit on it (koni yellows w/ Eibach springs) It was a great coilover setup for a very decent price. I got the springs and threaded sleeves for $450. The shocks were a separate price, but I think I got away for around $800 with a custom coilover setup...The great part about them is you can specify spring rates for street, track, etc.

Sorry to go on and on...Im sure you guys have heard of them.

I called them recently to see if they would be willing to make a kit for the LGT and they seemed interested, but I don't know much about the specs. So...if somebody wants to take that ball and run with it, they are a great company to work with. Lemme know if you want anymore details...

This is officially my largest post :)

[Drift Monkey]

I think when most people think cheap, they think KYB AGX or something...

[GTBoxer]

how much do those typically run?

[Drift Monkey]

how much do those typically run?
Around $450-500. A set.

[GTBoxer]

ok...i was slightly confused...i just took it one step further adding the springs. which all in all is not a bad deal

[whitetiger]

It would definitly be nice to have a cheap shock/strut to match with aftermarket springs. the stock ones are too soft really to handle the the increased spring rates.

[OlympicLeg]

Yeah, coiloevers seem to be fairly priced right now though. I am waiting for the Megan Racing kit to arrive.

[Th3Franz]

Ooh those FSD's sound promising.. hopefully they'll have them for us.

[OlympicLeg]

I would much rather spend 750 on some FSD's, then 750 on some used Bilstiens.

[Rodan]

There was a discussion over on LGT.com re: a Koni guy that is trying to get something going for the Legacy. Someone provided a set of stock struts for R&D, but no news lately...

[GTBoxer]

There was a discussion over on LGT.com re: a Koni guy that is trying to get something going for the Legacy. Someone provided a set of stock struts for R&D, but no news lately...

Thank you! I was hoping somebody would try to get that one going. I mentioned it over at .com...maybe before or after that guy sent the stockers to them. If you find out...will you pm me.

Thanks...Chris

[Patagonian GT]

see page 1 - I sent mine to Lee and he's working now to find out what they can do, if anything. For the record, he wasn't optimistic about Koni producing something, but was trying to get other markets to sign on to Corp spending the money.

Lee has an OBXT, so between his suspension and mine, he can cover all applications for the turbo BL/BP.

[GTBoxer]

see page 1 - I sent mine to Lee and he's working now to find out what they can do, if anything. For the record, he wasn't optimistic about Koni producing something, but was trying to get other markets to sign on to Corp spending the money.

Lee has an OBXT, so between his suspension and mine, he can cover all applications for the turbo BL/BP.

excellent!

[NewScooby]

I've contacted KYB, they are going to produce the GR2 line for the LGT. They are not planning on producing the AGX adjustables, and they could not give me a timeline. GR2's are around $340 for other applications.

If the Koni's are under $700, I'd buy them.

[wcbjr]

Wow, if anyone is set up to not have to do a lot of research about the stock suspension, it's KYB. It would be a piece of cake to release some AGXs. And we would do all the advertising.